No Track side support at CCT

[Barry Wressell]

I was informed last night by Cascade Track Time that I won't be able to attend their track days with Dunlop tires. Soo, if you need tires and are attending those events you need to get your tires before hand. If you bring your bike or wheels to my shop, I can get you set up before you head out. If you are in Portland, I can ship tires to EDR and they will help you out before heading to the track.

It sucks that I can't be there to help you out. :(

[CoachVino]

WTF? For fucks sake, why would a trackday provider not want to offer every possible trackside tire support available? Im guessing because of the "news" that they are now the official supporter of the P tires? or something along those lines...

So, Barry, what trackdays will you be attending for support purposes?
Thanks, Vino.

[G-RRFun]

WTF? For fucks sake, why would a trackday provider not want to offer every possible trackside tire support available? Im guessing because of the "news" that they are now the official supporter of the P tires? or something along those lines...

So, Barry, what trackdays will you be attending for support purposes?
Thanks, Vino.

Exactly along those lines!!:eek:

[Barry Wressell]

WTF? For fucks sake, why would a trackday provider not want to offer every possible trackside tire support available? Im guessing because of the "news" that they are now the official supporter of the P tires? or something along those lines...

So, Barry, what trackdays will you be attending for support purposes?
Thanks, Vino.

I will have a calendar up soon, I just need to get all the 2008 track day companies schedules. Once I have that, I will post up the events I will be attending. I think it really sucks, but nothing I can do about it.

[G-RRFun]

Well those on Dunlop or any other brand could boycott CCT. See if he thinks it's a good idea then. Hit em in the wallet!

And if they don't do them , they need to let CCT know why.

[AdamBowen]

Well those on Dunlop or any other brand could boycott CCT. See if he thinks it's a good idea then. Hit em in the wallet!

And if they don't do them , they need to let CCT know why.

Wow...what bullshit. And I was planning on attending quite a few of thier dates this season due to the fact that they match up with my schedule for days off. But, since I am a huge supporter of KFG/Dunlop, and Barry is my sponsor and friend, and I am very loyal, I will be taking one for the team on this one and I WILL BE BOYCOTTING CASCADE TRACKTIME. Their should be more than one tire choice at track day events. Alot of racers use track days to prep and get ready for upcoming races and if my tire and suspension guru is not allowed there cause they want to sell more Pirelli's then that is just plain bullshit.

[AdamBowen]

This is what I PM'd to Tyson...

Is it true that Barry Wressell will not be allowed to be a vendor at your trackdays? And the the reason is that you are a sole supporter of Pirelli? If so, I would like to express my extreme disappointment. There should be multilpe vendors at each trackday as racers use this time to prep and get ready for upcoming races and not being able to have their tire guy, and suspension guy in this case, there to make adjustments and give advice becasue you are a sole proponent of Pirelli is absolute bullshit. If this is the case I must inform of my intention to boycott CCT for 2008. I think that not allowing other tire vendors at your events is just plain bad business.

Pardon me if I have misinterpreted your intentions. I would like it very much if you could clarify this for me so I can make a more informed decision.

[Hypnotiq]

You know my feelings on this Barry...

[TommyBehindTheDuece]

This f'ing sucks, and on two levels...tires being one as I am Dunlop and will stay with Dunlop b/c of the great support and help that Barry has given me. The other issue is that Barry is the suspension guy for so many of the guys out there. Now when i need to make changes, i have limited time to work with Barry - make changes, try them out on the track, and continue to tweak until it feels right. I think it is basically the ultra-short practice time on Sat morning and during qualifiers. And all of this with a new track that will require new set-up for everyone. Not nearly enough time to do this.

This fucking sucks...

[Ed Who?]

i think we REALLY need to bring this to the Sportbikes and OMRRA forums!!

[Barry Wressell]

This is what I PM'd to DLPDLPDLPDLPDLP...

Is it true that Barry Wressell will not be allowed to be a vendor at your trackdays? And the the reason is that you are a sole supporter of Pirelli? If so, I would like to express my extreme disappointment. There should be multilpe vendors at each trackday as racers use this time to prep and get ready for upcoming races and not being able to have their tire guy, and suspension guy in this case, there to make adjustments and give advice becasue you are a sole proponent of Pirelli is absolute bullshit. If this is the case I must inform of my intention to boycott CCT for 2008. I think that not allowing other tire vendors at your events is just plain bad business.

Pardon me if I have misinterpreted your intentions. I would like it very much if you could clarify this for me so I can make a more informed decision.

It was not my intention to kick the beehive, but thanks for the support and loyalty. It has been a silly season this winter for sure! I agree that all vendors should be able to attend track days, it is awesome for all partys and ultimately benifits the racer/track day rider.

[Barry Wressell]

This f'ing sucks, and on two levels...tires being one as I am Dunlop and will stay with Dunlop b/c of the great support and help that Barry has given me. The other issue is that Barry is the suspension guy for so many of the guys out there. Now when i need to make changes, i have limited time to work with Barry - make changes, try them out on the track, and continue to tweak until it feels right. I think it is basically the ultra-short practice time on Sat morning and during qualifiers. And all of this with a new track that will require new set-up for everyone. Not nearly enough time to do this.

I am signed up for the RSP and have a bunch of dates with them, and already paid...so all i can do is let my feelings be known, but i will definitely let them be known.

This fucking sucks...

Barry - What is the next step from here? Are you going to push DLPDLPDLPDLPDLP at all, or is this something all of us need to take on? And can you post this in the .ws website so more people know about this (and hopefully more angry letters follow)?

I talked with DLPDLPDLPDLPDLP at length about this and he said no other tire vendors will be allowed at his events in 2008. I already told him I thought it was a mistake to do this, but he said that it is a difference of opinion. I decided to post this up on the hidden forum for now, until I got some feedback from this awesome forum. Not trying to start something, just want to inform the Dunlop crew that you won't see me at the CCT events and you need to get ahold of me before hand. I should probably post up on .ws and other forums about this?

[Ed Who?]

Barry...keep your head up! While im sure it was solely a business choice for him, i personally feel you should welcome ALL vendors and ANY company/person that is willing to support you. Otherwise, they will just support and promote other trackday providers.

Plenty of other venues brother!

[TommyBehindTheDuece]

Not trying to start something, just want to inform the Dunlop crew that you won't see me at the CCT events and you need to get ahold of me before hand. I should probably post up on .ws and other forums about this?

Yes, definitely on the .ws site - I think you could post up your original post here on the .ws site - it is a very respectful post that doesn't kick the beehive, just states facts....

[piper907]

WOW Barry...
This sucks bro... I definatly wont be attending any CCT days next season.
Have you spoken to NESBA about 2008 yet?

[kneedragger]

well, that really does suck! Luckily, Barry will hopefully make it to all of the AF Track Days in 2008, but I can't verify that a Barry won't return the brown man's calls...:D :D Still trying to keep the Brown man down....:D :D

[Ed Who?]

already did. i too DONT want anymore beehives but it NEEDS to be known to all!! Again, i know why he is doing it, but as barry is my friend and long time supporter of our racers/customers i hate to see it!

[Barry Wressell]

WOW Barry...
This sucks bro... I definatly wont be attending any CCT days next season.
Have you spoken to NESBA about 2008 yet?

I haven't talked to NESBA yet, but our talk at the end of the season went great. I will be the NESBA dates in '08!

[Orion Moto]

What about an EDR setting up a track day? The NW premier race shop giving support to racers, what ever tire or sponsor they have. What do you think?

[Ed Who?]

We are talking about it. But i have never liked the idea, cause then you end up focusing on putting on the trackday, running it, etc...instead of just being there to SUPPORT and help your riders out.

[Barry Wressell]

well, that really does suck! Luckily, Barry will hopefully make it to all of the AF Track Days in 2008, but I can't verify that a Barry won't return the brown man's calls...:D :D Still trying to keep the Brown man down....:D

I do my best to keep you down, where you belong! Yes, you got beat by a Superhawk! Ha Ha Ha Anyways, I will be at all AF dates! :D

[Ed Kok]

whatsa cascade track time?

[Hypnotiq]

Track day provider in Portland.

[tarik]

I will be the NESBA dates in '08!

How many days did NESBA get this year? Shannon had a great time and an empty track when she went there.

[SpeedGeek]

Just another example of a person's character. This just reenforces my decision to do my track days with ANYONE other than CTT.

I've had enough crap from DLPDLPDLPDLPDLP, and ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY will never give him a dime.

EVER

He can call it a "business decision" or however he decides to sell it... but its just another typical DLPDLPDLPDLPDLP move. His character and his word is about as good as a bag of dogshit I scooped from my back yard.

[Hypnotiq]

How many days did NESBA get this year? Shannon had a great time and an empty track when she went there.

The official NESBA schedule will be coming "soon". ;)

[Ed Who?]

Just another example of a person's character. This just reenforces my decision to do my track days with ANYONE other than CTT.

I've had enough crap from DLPDLPDLPDLPDLP, and ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY will never give him a dime.

EVER

He can call it a "business decision" or however he decides to sell it... but its just another typical DLPDLPDLPDLPDLP move. His character and his word is about as good as a bag of dogshit I scooped from my back yard.

+1 WELL SAID! NOw put that on the .WS forum.....i DARE YA! lol

[SpeedGeek]

I was posting there as you were posting here.

,,l,, (> . <) ,,l,,

FUCK HIM!

[Barry Wressell]

DLPDLPDLPDLPDLP called me and was not happy with Eric posting that up! He was getting pretty upset, but calmed down after 10 minutes of talking. My intent was not to kick the beehive, but thought it was important for you guys to know what was going down. He wants me to be there for suspension tuning, but not sure how I will do that. I have to drive my Dunlop rig down there so do I need to park outside the gate and walk in? I haven't told him yet what I am going to be doing in regards to the suspension thingy. Not sure what I am going to do.

Eric, please ask me next time you post up my comments. This is the hidden, super secret forum, and that is why I posted it here first. It was my intention to post it up. The .ws thread is pretty entertaining though :D

[SpeedGeek]

DLPDLPDLPDLPDLP called me and was not happy with Eric posting that up!

Of course... he didn't get a chance to put a spin on it to sell it to everyone.

I gotta hand it to him, he is convincing as a salesman. He can sell ice cubes to eskimos if given the chance.

[kneedragger]

The .ws thread is pretty entertaining though :D

where is this at? different forum?

[TommyBehindTheDuece]

Well....can you actually pay for your trip without selling tires? I am assuming that makes the day worth doing if you sell tires - otherwise you come down at your expense and have no revenue to show for it...

[TommyBehindTheDuece]

DLPDLPDLPDLPDLP called me and was not happy with Eric posting that up! He was getting pretty upset, but calmed down after 10 minutes of talking. My intent was not to kick the beehive, but thought it was important for you guys to know what was going down. He wants me to be there for suspension tuning, but not sure how I will do that. I have to drive my Dunlop rig down there so do I need to park outside the gate and walk in? I haven't told him yet what I am going to be doing in regards to the suspension thingy. Not sure what I am going to do.

Eric, please ask me next time you post up my comments. This is the hidden, super secret forum, and that is why I posted it here first. It was my intention to post it up. The .ws thread is pretty entertaining though :D

I don't think this is in the super secret forum anymore....

[Barry Wressell]

where is this at? different forum?

sportbikes.ws, scroll down and click on the pacific (oregon) forum. Do I need to hold your hand on everything, sheesh. :D

[Barry Wressell]

Well....can you actually pay for your trip without selling tires? I am assuming that makes the day worth doing if you sell tires - otherwise you come down at your expense and have no revenue to show for it...

Hit the nail on the head! I have to think about it, and then make a decision. I know it is public now and not secret sauce anymore.

[Ed Who?]

sorry barry. but it affects OMRRA A TON too...he is trying to become a NRS for omrra (omrra gets $$ from dunlop too!) and he would not allow them, so in essence omrra would be snubbing nose at those that support them in contingency like dunlop, edr, bridgestone, michelin, etc)

[Barry Wressell]

sorry barry. but it affects OMRRA A TON too...he is trying to become a NRS for omrra (omrra gets $$ from dunlop too!) and he would not allow them, so in essence omrra would be snubbing nose at those that support them in contingency like dunlop, edr, bridgestone, michelin, etc)

I agree, but don't think OMRRA is going to allow that.

[sleddog]

I'm kinda new to all of this but I have to say I've never seen so much controversy and drama with just trying to go ride or race. When I raced motocross in high school this kind of thing never came up. The race track was a business that ran the race/practice days and was independent of any services/sponsors. Therefore, all sponsors and riders were welcome.

So a similar arrangement would be for PIR to put on the track days (which since it's owned by the city, won't happen). Getting the track into private ownership probably isn't a simple thing but has anyone ever heard of any efforts to do so?

Like it was said earlier, it's a *business decision* to not allow other vendors. I guess it's also a *business decision* that some riders might make to boycott. Every business decision comes with potential consequences, right?

Man, I just want to ride...

[shaggy1]

wow, this sucks balls :/

[AdamBowen]

Major ball sucking by DLP! (see Barry, I do get it)

[Ed Who?]

adam you should post whatever response you get from them on here. would be funny to see what they reply with.

on a side note. ppl on the other forum are talking CRAZY about slander. WTF? where is any? I saw someone post up something stating that dunlops were not at their trackday and then people offered up their opinions of support or non support.

i dont think anyone (especially me) said anything was bad/wrong with that trackday company nor their new contracts. We just said it was not happening and that some of us are not happy with it. so what??

This one individual LOVES to throw around legal threats and innuendo all the time. I have even in past got a letter from "that 2006 shop" when Round Hero was there saying pretty much same thing he is now...my attorneys looked at it and laughed. I then talked with owners of that shop after they fired Round Hero and they informed me that it was all Round Hero's idea and doing even thou they thought stupid.

I just wanted everyone to know that my friend and supporter of my shop/customers/racers is not allowed at one companies trackdays. The opinoins and responses i cant control. but it seems like maybe the majority are not agreeing with said trackday company huh?

[AdamBowen]

Round Hero..hehe that's funny.

[Syrythius]

It all comes down to insecurities. Why have an event for racers and exclude organizations that promote the sport. Only reason i can think of is they feel threatened. A person can spout off all kinds of reasons (sponsors, it's a private event, etc) but the reality is they are threatened due to loss of money. If they allow other people in they have to "risk" losing money since people won't buy their crap. But then again what do i know. I don't shop around, I find a place that respects me and provides the best service around and I stick with it.

[piper907]

I don't really know those guys, but it is pretty ghay that they are trying to corner the market in this way... I think it is going to burn more bridges than it will create... I don't believe I have ever seen a situation where being an ASSHAT was good for buisness. :)

[mtobin]

Whenever I see some one react from fear and insecurity I always wonder what motivates them. I mean this from a business standpoint as well as a personal standpoint. This gives our fantastic community a black eye and is in no way or shape in favor of the rider the end user of said products. It is a shortsided business decision which may work for a few people but not a community.
So with that, my questioni s with this decision who is to benefit?

[Ed Kok]

I support Barry even though he gets me into trouble with she who must be obeyed. I am prolly still on supervised probation, i need to check with my parole officer.
I don't use dunlops right now though because as matt mladin says, I'm short on talent. Eric told me it was because I was like Lance Armstrong-short one ball.
Still it seems to me that the track day folks must have some deals going. I can't remember what Mario does, but I think Sully doesn't let the P guys into his days.
I don't know what the deal is, I just appreciate knowing if I don't have a days worth of tires on Sully days I should just stay in Idaho, or think far enough ahead to order what I use. Or I can always choose to buy Dunlops. This buys me the right to blame Barry for my problems. And I do.
If this cascade bunch wants to hurt themselves a good way to do it is be left without a suspension guy.
I try not to get mad at people for being stupid. I'd be pissed all the time.
I'd be Eric Dorn.;-) Older though.
Oh man was that ever worth it.

[piper907]

I think Sully doesn't let the P guys into his days.
I am just taking a guess here but I believe Mr. Sullivan makes a bit more $$$ at his shcools than he does hosting trackdays.
One of Mike Sullivans FASTEST instructors rides the P-brand religously while another rode B-brand all last season.
Honestly, I consider Mikes trackdays more of a favor to fellow racers than anything else.
NESBA has been a Dunlop sponsored organisation for years and last year signed a deal with another tire company... But the control riders still ride on the tires that they choose. Offering deals and/or incentives to use a product is one thing but not allowing riders to access their trackside resources is a whole different situation... It will most likely throw a wrench into a few racers weekends that run other tire brands, but I have a feeling it will all work itself out.

There really aren't too many trackday customers in the northwest (if you look at the BIG picture)...
Take away the guys that show up AND leave on the same set of street tires, and there aren't too many "tire consuming" riders...
Take away the 2/3rds or so of riders that dont run X-brand tire and you have a REALLY small customer base!
How many tire consuming racers do you think are going to swap to X-brand just because they can't buy other tires at one trackday org...???
I am willing to bet, it will more than likely bite them in the ass.

[EmDee]

Seems foolish to me and as someone who runs events, the more true tire vendors we have at our events the better it makes us look. Ultimately its not about us, but our customers. The better we can serve them or arrange for others to serve them, the happier they will be. Having what I consider, the big 4 vendors (Michelin, Dunlop, Pirelli, & Bridgestone) at our events has never happened at one time, but all 4 have been to ours at one time or another.

The only way it makes sense to me if CTT is getting paid by Pirelli to have this policy. So is CTT now a distributor for Pirelli or sponsored by Pirelli? They must or why would they do this? I guess putting his personal gain infront of service for his customers.

Barry and Eric, PM's on their way to you for more discreet discussion! ;)

[mtobin]

Mark,
I just wanted to say that my response was alot like what you have stated, riding is an amazing way to spend time and competitive riding even more so and being in the industry we at ems try to provide a well rounded experience for all our customers as this is what is good for all. Win win situations create the synergy that attract people not drive them away, enhance their experience not deter from it.

[Ed Who?]

this is why i made this forum! to get REAL input from top guys in the NW scene. racers, sponsors, riders, trackday owners, salesmen, etc....all putting in their opinions and thoughts!

THANKS GUYS!!

Plus it seems that my big mouth might pay off in some sort of back pedal (go figure)...stay tuned.

[JCB]

Eric, I did respond to your post on the .ws forum. I think what may have happened was either people not totally reading your first post or reading it to fast and not really seeing what was said. LOL, I'll be the first to admit that I did it and took it the wrong way.

From a business standpoint I can see why Tyson did what he did, I prob would have done the same thing. But from a riders stand point I think it sucks.

[sanfret]

There would be a happy medium here ... Let the Lops in... but conditionally like is done down south. If you are a registered OMRRA racer, you can buy whatever brand you want due to contract reasons the racer may have, or as others pointed out, not much value practicing on different rubber... general populous is restricted to buying tires from the endorsed vendor. Racers don't get stiffed, lops can support its crew, and trackday peeps support their tire sponsor/other business. While not perfect for Barry, would get him back in the scene... and would work with OMRRA.

[Ed Who?]

Eric, I did respond to your post on the .ws forum. I think what may have happened was either people not totally reading your first post or reading it to fast and not really seeing what was said. LOL, I'll be the first to admit that I did it and took it the wrong way.

From a business standpoint I can see why Tyson did what he did, I prob would have done the same thing. But from a riders stand point I think it sucks.

game..100% agree. if you SLOWLY READ my post, it was merely stating i was upset that my friend was not able to support riders at a certain trackday. thats it!

guys like E-ticket are shit stirrers and self serving. i dont give a fuck. i stood up for my friend and supporter with total disregard for my own business because thats who i am! And now im getting bashed and no one to stand up for me...im used to it by now. skin like a gator.

now this new guy on there bashing me saying "I went to shake edr's hand and you looked at me and walked away" WTF I WOULD NEVER EVER FUCKING DO THAT! I AM KNOWN FOR TALKING AND BULLSHITTING WITH CUSTOMERS TOO MUCH! I PRIDE MYSELF ON THAT!

IM SO LIVID RIGHT NOW.......i just need to let wilson and lippis's voices calm me and refrain...not easy thou...

[AdamBowen]

Let's start whoopin sum ass man!!! Let's get all redneck and shit!!! YYYYEEEEEHHHAAWWWW!!!!

American by Birth...SOuthern by the Grace of God!!!

[Ed Who?]

s a g e likes boys

[Slyfoxx]

Eric,

I have been reading this all day, very entertaining, but I disagree with your statement that “You can understand from a business stand point”, and “Business is Business” or something to that those words. How would this be a good business decision?
Questions I always ask myself when making decisions regarding the path my company will take.

Is it good for my customers?

Is it good financially?

What is the Liability?

Is it good for my customers?

I always ask myself “Is it good for my customers” twice, it may make financial sense, but when I ask myself again this will bring it home on the direction I want to take my company.

With CTT how is this good for his customers?
Sure we can say he is making $$ on contracts with the tire company, but CTT is in business to put on track days. If he in some ways limits the participants is this not going to hurt his core business in the long run?
Liability, don’t know enough to make a statement on that. Can’t think of anything one way or there other.
Now we are back to be it good for his customers?

Short term I would say yes-long term not too sure. With his latest partnership, I am sure this was part of how he was able to sale his value.

I have met Tyson once and spoke to him on the phone a copy time, when he was at your shop. The one thing that stays with me about him is he was trying to sale me on some other shit I needed, you came into the conversation and said no he does not need that. Says a lot to me right there, I work to fucking hard for my $$$.

[kneedragger]

As the owner of another track day company (I don't know if I can name it or not) down in Seattle, we have always welcomed all of the tire manufacturers at each and every one of our events. It not only provides our customers the most service available for their brand of tire, but it also gives them the ability to choose and to make their decisions on not only the performance that they see on the track but from the service that each tire vendor provides.

Personally speaking and in my own humble opinion, this move is more trouble than it seems to be worth, but I am not privy to the reasoning behind it. Sometimes as business owners, we have to take a couple of steps back and look at the bigger picture, even in the event that it will not bring in as much money as it may initially look like. You know what they say about unhappy customers....they will tell 5-7 people about their negative perseption of a business....

[Studio819]

I can understand it in the sense of "support those that support you" as well as being a business decision because of who I am. Obviously having a metric ton of pro photogs on the track does not bode well for me financially.

But that said, I hope CTT is not cutting their own throat, a majority of their track days are on Friday's prior to a race weekend and would be prime for selling slots for. If they did Pirelli/CTT Racer appreciation days where only Pirelli was allowed to sell tires, then I could see that making sense, but for every event seems to me to be putting CTT at risk.

To each their own as far as decisions go with their own businesses, PSSR and CTT both do good business and run good track days, but with NESBA trying to get a toe hold in Portland and doing poorly last year, this may be the crack they need to really drive into Portland and end up taking business away from CTT.

[Ed Who?]

Eric,

I have been reading this all day, very entertaining, but I disagree with your statement that “You can understand from a business stand point”, and “Business is Business” or something to that those words. How would this be a good business decision?
Questions I always ask myself when making decisions regarding the path my company will take.

Is it good for my customers?

Is it good financially?

What is the Liability?

Is it good for my customers?

I always ask myself “Is it good for my customers” twice, it may make financial sense, but when I ask myself again this will bring it home on the direction I want to take my company.

With CTT how is this good for his customers?
Sure we can say he is making $$ on contracts with the tire company, but CTT is in business to put on track days. If he in some ways limits the participants is this not going to hurt his core business in the long run?
Liability, don’t know enough to make a statement on that. Can’t think of anything one way or there other.
Now we are back to be it good for his customers?

Short term I would say yes-long term not too sure. With his latest partnership, I am sure this was part of how he was able to sale his value.

I have met Tyson once and spoke to him on the phone a copy time, when he was at your shop. The one thing that stays with me about him is he was trying to sale me on some other shit I needed, you came into the conversation and said no he does not need that. Says a lot to me right there, I work to fucking hard for my $$$.



Sly, i like #'s.....so please dont be upset, but im a numbers/motor guy...lol..

1. i understand why he did it, BUT i DO NOT support it! I DONT think its GOOD business...it IS business...but in my eyes NOT GOOD! You are right, it HURTS business and the entire community in my eyes.

2. THey have forgotten WHY they got into trackdays. period IMO. A guy like Mark that runs 2fast trackdays in seattle does so because one reason and one reason only (at least in my eyes) and thats cause he loves hosting them, loves providing friends and fellow riders with a fun, safe and great way to get on the track. Thus, why his business is growing! THe same goes for AF trackdays run by Mario...a RACER that runs a trackday to sure, make a $1, but in the end to host a great fun day AT THE TRACK. NOT to try and corner markets, put others out of business, nor make a quick buck.

3. you nailed in on the head. Im an a LONG TERM guy. sure my pesonality is too much for some, ok most. but you know what? i can honestly sleep at night knowing that while some may not like me...they know 100% what i said was honest, and TRUE! NOT for a dollar! This is why i fired him. He can say what he wants but i know the truth and it was just that, he simply did not fit in my business. I had MANY customers tell me that after the fact (kinda like when a buddy dumps a g/f and his buddies say 'dude i hated that girl" well..now you tell me..lol) He is a honestly nice guy and one hella saleman, but honestly i have ALWAYS ALWAYS been the guy that feels get a customer happy with a $1 part and excellent service and he will come back and spend another $1...and then maybe tell a friend to spend $1. NOT the guy that tries to get all $3 at once! PERIOD!

4. your last thing about him 'overselling' you and me interrupting and not selling it...its exactly why i got so upset the latest guy bashed me for saying "I tried to shake erics hand and he just looked at me and walked away" that right there pissed me off more than anything all week. I take great pride (TOO Much honestly) in the fact that i want EVERY SINGLE person that deals with EDR Performance in person, phone or online has a great experience and feels like they are apart of something family like. it is VERY hard at times when slammed or when i got something on my mind, but this one guy never once said anything to me or even asked, just bashed.

I think i take GREAT time in my emails, conversations, and sales with customers. I feel i spend more time on work orders and estimates alone than any other shop...i want a customer to feel 110% comfortable with his choice and WHY this is good or this is not.

Id rather close up shop and keep my values than stay open or grow and loose sight of that!

Hope that helps... :cheers :D

[Ed Who?]

As the owner of another track day company (I don't know if I can name it or not) down in Seattle, we have always welcomed all of the tire manufacturers at each and every one of our events. It not only provides our customers the most service available for their brand of tire, but it also gives them the ability to choose and to make their decisions on not only the performance that they see on the track but from the service that each tire vendor provides.

Personally speaking and in my own humble opinion, this move is more trouble than it seems to be worth, but I am not privy to the reasoning behind it. Sometimes as business owners, we have to take a couple of steps back and look at the bigger picture, even in the event that it will not bring in as much money as it may initially look like. You know what they say about unhappy customers....they will tell 5-7 people about their negative perseption of a business....


www.adrenalinefreaks.com

POST AWAY!

Im VERY blessed to call you and mark of 2fast both friends and guys that run AMAZING business's. I only DREAM you could both do more at PIR!

you nailed it man. My WHOLE point in this drama mess was "the MORE support you get...the BETTER" I think he is seeing that while HE may not like me, many do and many do value my thoughts and input. SO why on earth would you wanna upset that? I think its great that AF and 2Fast BOTH invite EVERY engine builder (shit i build owner of 2fast mark's motors, while his teammate eli uses another shop...but we ALL get along!) and every tire vendor. THE MORE THE BETTER!!!!!!!!!

[Ed Who?]

sage...nice to see you lurking and reading our post...at 11:19


AHHH THE POWER OF HAVING IP address's!

sorry looks like your still at the shop....IP # 71.237.xxxxxxxxx

[Slyfoxx]

No worries, just an observation..


Now thats funny

sage...nice to see you lurking and reading our post...at 11:19


AHHH THE POWER OF HAVING IP address's!

sorry looks like your still at the shop....IP # 71.237.xxxxxxxxx

[Ed Who?]

sly i REALLY love having guys like you on here....guys who are not afraid to call it like they see it! thanks!!

now did you get that "new part" installed yet????

[Slyfoxx]

Funny you should ask, I will be attempting to install today.

I've been told it's a real bitch, so I am sure I'll be calming my nerves with my bottle of Patron through out the day. LOL

[Ed Who?]

well if you get to a point you dont want to, just drop it off anytime. also, hope to see ya tomorrow for calendar party. :D

[AdamBowen]

Not sure if I should post this but what the hell. Big T Bone makes it sound like Barry can't afford the vendor fees, and then goes on to say that he told Barry he could support his riders under certain guidelines. Barry, if you don't want this posted let me know and I'll remove it. It was suggested that I share this info.

Re: KFG/Dunlop

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Originally Posted by tarheel
Is it true that Barry Wressell will not be allowed to be a vendor at your trackdays? And the the reason is that you are a sole supporter of Pirelli? If so, I would like to express my extreme disappointment. There should be multilpe vendors at each trackday as racers use this time to prep and get ready for upcoming races and not being able to have their tire guy, and suspension guy in this case, there to make adjustments and give advice becasue you are a sole proponent of Pirelli is absolute bullshit. If this is the case I must inform you of my intention to boycott CCT for 2008. I think that not allowing other tire vendors at your events is just plain bad business.

Pardon me if I have misinterpreted your intentions. I would like it very much if you could clarify this for me so I can make a more informed decision.
Tyson's Response
This whole thing has been a fabrication from Eric since the Pirelli announcement was made on RRW. It is unfortunate that he continues to defame and slander CT and me personally. . . . .but that’s another topic. I had a lengthy conversation with Barry regarding Dunlop tires at CT events. In 2007 and 2006 Barry only attended a total of 8 events out of a possible 19. What were the Dunlop customers doing the 12 days that he wasn’t there? They were taking their tires to Josh and were paying to have them mounted (new tires only). I asked Barry how many tires he sold directly at the CT events for ‘07? His response was “about 12”. So all of this drama is about 12 tires. I discussed vendor fees with Barry for tires and he said that he coulndt afford any fees to do tires. I had already told Barry that he could attend to do the chassis and suspension set-up and support his riders at the track providing that certain guidelines be met. No need to go into specifics because that is between CT, DLPDLPDLP and KFG. I also told Barry that if he wanted to, he could ship tires to the track or to edr and inform his customers that we would still support ANY other brand at the events with mount and balance. If Barry chooses to not attend CT events it is his choice as I cannot MAKE him attend. As previously stated, he only attended 35% of my previous dates, most likely due to scheduling conflicts or other issues. I dont think it is you who has misunderstanding of the facts at all. It is Eric who has misrepresented the truth and spoken/written out of turn on this issue. He has made false and misleading statements regarding a business in a public forum. The whole logic is just flawed only to stir up drama. According to Eric, if CT gets sponsored by Kawasaki then I guess anyone riding another brand of motorcycle cannot attend. Comments like that used to be silly……they have now crossed the line into slander. I hope this clears things up for you. Officially CT supports riders of ALL makes, all makes or tires, and does not care where or who has worked on your bike. If it passes tech and the trackday fee is paid, you can ride. I cant make it any clearer than that. CT is now the Pirelli trackside vendor for OR. Doesn’t mean that other brands would not be allowed to attend; that's simply rediculous. We will provide mount and balance service for anyone who needs assistance. I cannot be more any more clear on that. If you have any further questions feel free to give me a call, my number is 503-409-4727.

[Chris_Mag]

"I discussed vendor fees with Barry for tires".

Notice that T-Bone didn't mention the amount of said fees.

How many tires would a vendor need to sell to recoup the costs of travelling to the event? Truck pulling a tire trailer from S. King County to PIR is what, 170 miles? So, estimate $60-70 in fuel, depending on traffic just to show up. How many hundreds of dollars in business would a vendor have to do to break even?

If you don't want competition, no problem. Just make it prohibitively expensive to do business. It's a short sighted approach, considering the other benefits of having a skilled suspension tuner at the track.

[flyingbutterknife]

I dont get it???? He owns CT and is the Pirelli dealer? If thats true, I would do the same thing. I wouldnt let my competition in to take money from me either without them paying to do so. Although it sucks becouse Barry is one bad suspension tech and Dunlops are the best tires out there(in my opinion), but it is just a track day and not too many tires are sold anyhow. I personally am a AF supporter,Mario is a friend and runs a bad assed track day and lets anyone in to sell or attend.I also like the drama between the two tire reps,it makes racing more exciting when people have that sort of passion!!! Just my $.02 ,Sam Verderico #455