BPD-Bazazz Performance ECU--UPDATES!

[Ed Who?]

Just again got off phone with them at BPD concerning the new BPD Z-fi setups, including the bad ass TC set up! (traction control) here is some notes bullet point wise

-EDR will have the software and a simulation setup today sometime for us to start playing with and to see just how easy, and yet extremely well developed this system is. I cannot WAIT to work with it!

-The biggest delay was coming up with a usb style port. As some may know most KIT ecu's (and even F1 electronics!!) are SERIAL PORT..this is because "noise" is not an issue as it is on a USB. We (EDR) have had a NIGHTMARE with serial port to usb adapters and not being able to "read" the kit ecu's. Thats why most lap tops used by top race teams have a dedicated serial port!

-They have recieved all the items and are finalizing all the packaging and details

-The GSXR's (like we posted way back in aug 2006) will BE the 1st ones available!

-The R6's will be the 2nd ones, since Ammar currently has 7 R6's in his shop (this guy does ALL the top AMA teams)

-The Honda and Kawis should be right after that.

-They have all the harnesses/software/ecu's...just the details for the different bikes that they need to sort, but like i said, the GSXR's are pretty much done and the R6 right there too.

-The AFR kit is not really gonna be for us. That is for guys that do not have access to a dyno nor a good tuner...so our competitors might want it actually...lol. It is great for a street guy that does not want to pay someone to make a great base map.

-The TC switch is a must IMO..it is handlebar mounted and allows you to adjust the TC on the fly! This is critical because as you know not every bike will need the same 'amount" of TC, nor will it be the same for different riders, different tracks, varying amounts of grip (very hot days, tires going off, etc) and also if weather changes mid race (like in the NW!)

-I am still planning on attending BPD's shop when the schld of both of us allows for even further learning of some inside tricks/tips. Most likely the week of the AMA Fontana race since ill be in LA anyways, as will they.

We Currently have 12 complete Z-Fi TC systems on back order for our customers/racers and are pretty much 1st in line...We still fully expect to see the GSXR ones this month towards end of month and then the Yamaha hopefully before mid feb, and Honda/Kawis by end of month Feb.

Im VERY excited for this product. I think those that have it AND more importantly, have a shop/crew that KNOWS how to use it and tune it will really appreciate it!

If you would like to get your own and piggyback onto our backorder, PLEASE CALL AND ORDER IT TODAY!!! We will be not only some of the first to receive them, have the earliest and most amount of tuning with them, but will offer special prices for the first few that do pre-order them. CALL TODAY!!!!


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[Chunke1]

NICE! I'm guessing they will go for the newest models first and then maybe offer them for later generations???? Do I need to get an 08 R6 now ;)

[shaggy1]

very cool news!

one question though... why not just use a dedicated serial port on your pc? screw the usb adapter.

[Syrythius]

his new systems have dedicated serial ports. Unfortunately serial ports are going the way of the floppy disk drive. Not many systems have them anymore...

[Ed Who?]

shaggy1, we are doing just that! Sythruis is building us a new dyno computer with just that..its hard to find one with a serial in it stock. But BPD knows the USB is the way of future, and 9/10 guys dont have a serial port on their laptops.

[Chunke1]

shaggy1, we are doing just that! Sythruis is building us a new dyno computer with just that..its hard to find one with a serial in it stock. But BPD knows the USB is the way of future, and 9/10 guys dont have a serial port on their laptops.

As an FYI, all serial ports are not built the same. Some will work well, others will not, just depends on the design and components used. If needed, I have a high quality serial interface add-on card for ya. Let me know. (One nerd comment and I'm pulling back my offer :cool2:) J/K

[shaggy1]

ahh, that's good to hear E.

[EmDee]

Awesome news....except that Honda's will be amongst the last ones out. I understand, most racers are on the Zooks and Yami's. So how do I "encourage" Amar to get the Honda ones out sooner! :D

[Hypnotiq]

Sorry EmDee...to the back of the bus, I mean line you go. :D

[Ed Who?]

nico...so you want one after we finish your motor??

[dpwracing]

That's great news, amazing the technology now available to the average club racer! BTW, my laptop has a serial port...

[Ed Who?]

btw: You have one on order.

[Hypnotiq]

Isn't the BPD the one we were waiting on instead of the PCIII? The TC unit won't be SS legal though right?

[Ed Who?]

why would the TC not be WMRRA legal? I dont see how..it is SPECIFICALLY designed to be legal since it has NO add on sensors..its is simply PLUG AND PLAY....100% the same as a KIT ecu (legal), DJ PCIII (legal) Techlusion (legal) and such...

Yes nico..i got a TC unit on bo for you, but if you want, let me know, we'll do just the std Z-Fi set up for ya. The Quickshifter can be unplugged for SS per rules.

[Justin Watkins]

And thats the shitty part about this unit. I agree its badass, but it has no place in supersport. AMA Doesn't allow TC in supersport classes, this is a marketed TC unit, regardless of plug and play, its giving a huge advantage to those with the deepest pockets.

I don't think it should be legal but we are stuck with allowing it in 2008, will have to come up with rules to disallow then in 2009 to keep costs down, unless they become more affordable for the budget racer.

As much rain as we get, this will be a huge advantage to WMRRA and OMRRA riders who can afford it in the rain races!!!!

I am hoping with the new pavement at PIR it won't be as much of a factor as the grip should still be pretty good in the wet but.... Might be slick as hell as well, who knows.

Flame on!!!

[Ed Who?]

justin, its NOT much more $$ than say a DJ PC ($300) DJ IgMod ($380) and DJ QShifter (250)...right there your spending the same honestly...racing is ALWAYS who has more money (or sponosors) thats racing man...

[J-Row]

We'll have wait and see - somehow I doubt the TC is going to be as magical as people imagine - yeah they're beginning to get it right in the upper echelons of racing, but for and extra $150 (Z-FI QS = $850, Z-FI TC = $1000) I can't believe it's going to be a well developed traction control system. I am willing to bet the fast guys end up switching it off most of the time because they notice it cutting the power.

Just my theory - maybe it will be truly wonderful......but I doubt it.

I'm all for getting rid of all TC in all forms of Motorcycle racing - makes it boring and potentially erodes the talent that makes the fast guys fast - THROTTLE CONTROL.

[Ed Who?]

J-row... i have a buddy (he is on here..ill ask him to post up) he is VERY VERY fast trackday guy (can do 10's at PIR) and at WSMC his 190hp EDR R1 superbike he played with a GSXR1000 that had the BPD set up and his words "Fuckin hell eric, that thing is silly...he just pins it out of the corners and it rockets forward"

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[Justin Watkins]

I hope you are right!!! BUT......

I spent the past 3 years watching Amar build that system with Jordan Suzuki, I am friends with Jake Holden and as it developed, it DEFINATELY, makes a difference. Can we get them tuned to work as well, eventually and then it will be a MUST have expense to keep up with the jones's with $$$$.

Adding ignition mod, quickshifter etc all costs money, but I don't think its giving as much benefit as TC (IF IT WORKS). The others are not legal in Supersport, so why would the TC be legal when it encompasses many of these things around the rulebook wording by being combined into a single plug and play box?

Only time will tell!

[Ed Who?]

thats the beauty man....its all WITHIN THE RULES! thats why it took so long to develop. he has worked his ass off to make sure it is 1. functional 2. LEGAL and 3. user friendly.

Im very excited!!!

[Justin Watkins]

ummmm, yeah, cheating within the rules. TC is still illegal, regardless of how you go about doing it.

Just makes the more more expensive and will weed out more people.

Hopefully the cost will come down as its more readily available but until then.

[Ed Who?]

Justin...define "TRACTION CONTROL" lol one of the best reads!!

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2006/Jun/060612a.htm

[Justin Watkins]

There lies the problem, we all know the intent, and what it does, but how it does it is the Gotcha and how they are getting away with it and have been for a few years now.

[Hypnotiq]

Can the TC be switched off/unplugged like the QS?

[Ed Who?]

intent is not a rule though. :D

back to the engine i go.... keep up the talk guys...its all good no matter what! Seems the thread on .WS was removed due to tyson's fat fucking fingers and jealously not allowing him to keep out of yet ANOTHER positive EDR post.

I CANNOT WAIT FOR the announcements coming in the next few weeks.....man...its gonna be AWESOME!!!

[EmDee]

While I understand where you're coming from Justin, it is actually affordable to the serious club racer.

As you know, on the DynoJet side, the PC3 & IGN MOD are SS legal in most clubs and QS is legal in AMA SS. That whole setup is a about $1,000 which is what the Bazzaz full system with TC is at. So I don't really see how its a monstrative increase over what a good number of racers are already spending. Its available at what seems to be a very affordable price for the technology. So I guess I don't really understand your affordability argument. Ya its more than a base PC3, but he offers a competitively priced system that does just what the PC3 does alone. To get the added adjustments he has the modules to add on at reasonable prices, very similar to what Dynojet has. Plus, Dynojet isn't going to take this sitting down. I'm willing to bet they're already working on something similar for their line of PC3USB products too. The age of basic, non-sensor traction control is here for the club racer!

Now that we are in the age of digital fuel control, smart electronics engineers like Amar, realize what the potential is. I could make a legitimate arguement that simple mapping is essentially traction control too. Now its never been called that, but anything that plays with A/F ratio and timing effects power out put and could easily be argued plays an effect on traction. So then are we going to outlaw everything that adjusts Fuel Injection? Obviously not. I know you know all of this.

Instead of applauding him at working within the rules of the majority of clubs in America, to come up with a system that is available and affordable to the racers in those clubs, I get the feeling that you see it as an evil thing to fight. Yes it offers a performance advantage, but it also increases safety too which is a very, very good thing in this sport.

And if for the price of one race weekends entry fees, I can have that type of technology and its legal...well then that's a no brainer to me. Thus, I'm not sure if having such an anti SS attitude towards it will be a good thing for clubs. My 2¢

[Ed Who?]

here is my responses on the OMRRA forum

http://www.omrra.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1132&page=2

[Justin Watkins]

You can run at the front without quickshifter and ignition module, those affect power not traction, they won't change and prevent wheel from spinning up if you give it more gas too fast.

TC does that, if it detects the revs increasing too rapidly, it de-tunes it so it prevents the spinning and thus the oncoming highside potentially.

If we all were on 200HP GSXR1k machines then maybe the safety factor would play but I think it takes away from rider talent and dumbs down the sport. But on 600's and 750s, we don't have any where near the power of the big bikes so safety is NOT an issue here and its just an added benefit for those willing to spend the $$$$$$.

[Hypnotiq]

Can the TC be switched off/unplugged like the QS?

? :D

[EmDee]

True about the IGN Mod & QS, but by the same means you are adjusting them, you are adjusting the same parameters to perform TC. So its the theory of TC you don't like?

But on 600's and 750s, we don't have any where near the power of the big bikes so safety is NOT an issue here and its just an added benefit for those willing to spend the $$$$$$.
NOT a safety issue...Tell that to those that have highsided 600's & 750's. Perhaps maybe less of a safety issue is a better way of saying it on these smaller bore bikes, but I have highsided a 600 and it ain't purdy nor cheap! :D If this unit would help prevent it, I say its a good thing.

I see your point and for SS I think you do have a valid position, I just don't have the same view. Its just going to be extremely hard to enforce unless you blantaly pick out this single product and make it illegal in the rule book.

Since this system uses no external sensors, its a "cheap" way of doing it that fits within current SS rules and is affordable. Which to me means this is the SS way of doing it. You wanna do TC the SB way, now that will cost you some big dollas, external sensors along with high price electronics...you know the drill. That's how I see it differentiating itself and working within the club level.

[Hypnotiq]

Yes nico..i got a TC unit on bo for you, but if you want, let me know, we'll do just the std Z-Fi set up for ya. The Quickshifter can be unplugged for SS per rules.

As long as I have my bike by the needed time (March 19th), I'll try out the new TC. :)

[sanfret]

You can run at the front without quickshifter and ignition module, those affect power not traction, they won't change and prevent wheel from spinning up if you give it more gas too fast.

I see this as a parallel to getting fresh tires. For the guys that want to run up front, they get fresh rubber. For the folks that don't they run tires every two weeks etc. It isn't something that is exclusive, it is a threshold of commitment.