OMRRA or WMRRA?

[Ed Who?]

which is better? but more importantly...WHY YOU THINK SO? Don't be a pussy, be honest!

[EmDee]

I used to think WMRRA, simply because it had two tracks to offer, but now that both clubs only have one track...I'd have to say OMRRA because of the qualifiers the run. I like that format much better!

I've been saying it for a while, and I may get shot for it, but I think its time that OMRRA & WMRRA get together and figure out how to combine the clubs into one. Some kind of NW Motorcycle, Pacific Motorcycle, or other RRA. At the current time, two tracks, two states, with the possibility of either one of the two new Oregon Ttracks coming online and the remote possibility of SRP getting bought by motorsport enthusiasts...it would make a for a fun 3-4 track club. On top of that, it would improve the talent pool.

AFM has 3 tracks they run, THill, Infenion, & Buttonwillow and I could see the future PMRRA running a similar type format as them.

Pie in the sky for now...but I'm hoping it could happen! :D

[dpwracing]

I agree with the thought...but I think it would take an act of God for the two clubs to combine!

[FlatTire]

I agree with the thought...but I think it would take an act of God for the two clubs to combine!

+1 Sometimes I think it's a miracle that OMRRA stays in one piece!

[jkaiser]

I'm new this season, but with WMRRA running out of asphalt I have to look out of state. The problem I see is this. It costs too much money to put together a racing effort to only race WMRRA on the abbreviated 2008 schedule. Both Oregon and Utah are looking good to me, though the drive to Miller is going to hurt.

[Hypnotiq]

I think the pit atmospher is WAYYYYYYYYYYYY better @ WMRRA IMHO.

Also, I HATE QUALIFIERS. 4 lap mini heats. I'll continue to just skip qualifiers and try and get good starts because I'm not going to waste a set of tires run 4 #$%! qualifiers. :)

[Ed Who?]

I think the pit atmospher is WAYYYYYYYYYYYY better @ WMRRA IMHO.

Also, I HATE QUALIFIERS. 4 lap mini heats. I'll continue to just skip qualifiers and try and get good starts because I'm not going to waste a set of tires run 4 #$%! qualifiers. :)

nico, you can say FUCKING Qualifiers if you like...we are gonna have to UNtrain ya!:D

[Hypnotiq]

I hate FUCKING QUALIFIERS! That better? :D

[piper907]

Some kind of NW Motorcycle, Pacific Motorcycle, or other RRA. At the current time, two tracks, two states, with the possibility of either one of the two new Oregon Ttracks coming online and the remote possibility of SRP getting bought by motorsport enthusiasts...it would make a for a fun 3-4 track club. On top of that, it would improve the talent pool.
I like the way you think.... it would be fun FOR SURE!

[Hypnotiq]

Yeah but you'd never get 90% of the OMRRA guys @ Pacific. :(

[Ed Who?]

i have tried for YEARS to get a NWRRA (new rah....its don becks idea)

6 Races at SIR
6 Races at PIR

WINNER TAKE ALL IN A VISCOUS COCK FIGHT YA GOTTA KEEP YOUR HEAD ON A SWIVEL!

[AdamBowen]

I have never raced OMRRA but have done some track days at PIR. Definitely a different atmosphere. #1 reason I haven't raced OMRRA is the additional cost of "Practice" on Saturday and the one day race format. I'm a poor racer, so to drive to Portland, do the track day on Friday, sit out the practice on Saturday with my thumb in my ass, then qualify and race on Sunday. Seems like a bit much to me and could be simplified. Maybe I'll get down there for at least one race this season to see what it is exactly like. The 2 day WMRRA format is really nice and not very hectic.

[kneedragger]

I particularly like both clubs. Never had any issues with either, but now that I no longer race and my son does, I have to say that OMRRA has a better appeal to us for the fact that they have (at least last I heard), a young guns type of class.

I do agree that getting both clubs to join will be much harder (if not impossible) to do than most think. Too many pansy asses...

cheers,


Mario

[sanfret]

I agree with the thought...but I think it would take an act of God for the two clubs to combine!

Such as Sean buying the dates that OMRRA might want to use and bring WERA in first?

[sanfret]

a young guns type of class

May not be true in '08

[kneedragger]

May not be true in '08

Yeah, I was kindda wondering about that. Just sucks that we have to go way out of state so that my son can race....ARGGGG:mad::mad:

[J-Row]

OMRRA's "qualifier" is a joke because they don't use the laptimes! Repeat - they don't use the laptimes. So the guy that grids at the front just has to maintain his position to "qualify" on pole. They grid the qualifier according to points, so it's pretty fucking redundant - might as well grid the main heats according to points.

yeah it's good for a fast guy from out of town to show up and get a better than last row grid position, but if you're going to take time to run qualifiers, why not do it as intended and give pole to the fastest lap time? They have the awesome AMB system.

[Barry Wressell]

OMRRA's "qualifier" is a joke because they don't use the laptimes! Repeat - they don't use the laptimes. So the guy that grids at the front just has to maintain his position to "qualify" on pole. They grid the qualifier according to points, so it's pretty fucking redundant - might as well grid the main heats according to points.

yeah it's good for a fast guy from out of town to show up and get a better than last row grid position, but if you're going to take time to run qualifiers, why not do it as intended and give pole to the fastest lap time? They have the awesome AMB system.

:plusone: When I used to race with OMRRA, it felt like I had 2 600 supersport races. I think WMRRA has a better system, but not as good as timed qualifying would be. WMRRA had a timed qualifier in 2003 at the 8 hour Superbike Shootout Weekend and that was a blast! I think they gave out a $ reward for attaining pole too. I would like to see qualifying for certain classes, not all, but the Premier (600, 750, 1000) classes.

[EmDee]

Don't disagree with you there.:great:

[acy179]

I haven't raced with OMRRA but have done a few track days there. The track will be pretty new (and improved) for everybody this year so that adds to my motivation to come down and race (besides the fact that Spokane no longer exists).

Didn't PIR and Pacific both belong to one club back in the old days? I'll bet Sully can comment on this.

I'd love to see both clubs use the same format for racing though...qualifiers, timing system, etc. etc. This way it would make things much easier for each club to attract more riders and ultimately make more money.

While I think the layout of Portland was a bit more boring (before the recent changes) I do think the track is a ton safer to ride on. I agree with earlier posts that it would probably take an act of god to have both clubs come together (especially because WMRRA still thinks it's a good idea to make racers use TWO number plates on tail sections) it would be really cool to see.

This would also be a much bigger reason to open up EDR North!!!!!!

[Barry Wressell]

Thanks Mark! Hey I have your engine, when do you want come and get it?

[flyingbutterknife]

I agree with Barry,I have been racing in utah quite alot last year and they have quilifiers for the premier classes and nice cash rewards for the classes. Its a blast ripping around for 15 minutes in a qualifieing practice for your grids. I also raced in the 8 hour superbike shootout he mentioned and quailfied high for the race,it was the same format USBA(Utah club) runs the main events. I say qualifying practice on Saturdays @ 15 minutes a pop for 600 classes (combined), 750 classes combined and the open classes. Three qualifying practices to determine grid each weekend. Also,I dont like PIR much at all,very boring track,also do not like PR either due to track conditions and way too dangerous to wreck on,but I love PR track configuration,awesome. Im a Miller,Barber,Infineon guy! Those are tracks!

[J-Row]

Does anybody have a sense of how much PIR has changed since the repave? Are any of the corners significantly altered? Nico's pics were good but hard to get a sense of the change.

[tarik]

Does anybody have a sense of how much PIR has changed since the repave? Are any of the corners significantly altered? Nico's pics were good but hard to get a sense of the change.

I put the blueprint drawing on top of the aerial pics from google maps and made this. Gives some idea of how it's changed:

http://www.pbase.com/image/90287110/original.jpg

[Suitor]

The overlay doesn't give a real good feel for how much the track changed. The track is much wider 3-5 and turn 4 is heavily banked. Turn 4 will also probably be a 2nd gear turn now.

Edit: Thanks for Avatar whoever did it?? I am wondering how I can get some boyband hair like Barry.

[Barry Wressell]

The overlay doesn't give a real good feel for how much the track changed. The track is much wider 3-5 and turn 4 is heavily banked. Turn 4 will also probably be a 2nd gear turn now.

Edit: Thanks for Avatar whoever did it?? I am wondering how I can get some boyband hair like Barry.

Don't ask Eric, we have come a loooonnnngg way since he was using Dippity Do back in the day. If you want the boyband hair, Crew products is the only choice! :electricguitar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceUV3S7Lz1o

[J-Row]

Thanks Tarik - that's a pretty awesome comparison. Any shots of the East half of the track? Has that changed at all? Either way, these changes should greatly improve the track. I rode a PSSR trackday years ago and we did the chicane on the front straight, much to some of the racer's chagrin. It was fun, and you still enter T1 (old) at a good clip.

[tarik]

Thanks Tarik - that's a pretty awesome comparison. Any shots of the East half of the track? Has that changed at all? Either way, these changes should greatly improve the track. I rode a PSSR trackday years ago and we did the chicane on the front straight, much to some of the racer's chagrin. It was fun, and you still enter T1 (old) at a good clip.

The plans are at:
http://www.lichty.org/MiscImages/PIR_Repave_Plan.pdf

The west half of the track shows the new vs old layout and the change in width, but it appears that there were no changes planned to the east side. I don't know if they made any design changes on site, but the pictures I've seen look similar to the plans. Also, I think the new asphalt will be as nice as the layout change. The other interesting thing is the wings they built in the east section for future alternate configurations. New sections there would be a lot more significant change than the chicane.

[shaggy1]

that's a sweet comparison tarik, nice.

if you wanna see pics i think vino has taken some of the best ones so far. you can really see the added camber in a few spots and the wider track sections. pics here...

http://sportbikes.ws/showthread.php?t=101402

[dpwracing]

OMRRA's "qualifier" is a joke because they don't use the laptimes!

why not do it as intended and give pole to the fastest lap time? They have the awesome AMB system.

This is what I tried to do last year. I got a proposal into the ballot to run timed qualifying in the morning. There are some reasons not do it on Saturday, primarily due to schedule and finances. Unfortunately the powers that be decided to torpedo the proposal by allowing a severely biased and one-sided con argument to be published with no balancing pro arguments (even though I had supplied one). The con argument swayed the membership to vote against it.

That experience pretty much marked the end of my willingness to help with administering the club. I'm not pouting about the proposal, I'm simply not willing to put up with or support the good ole boys network. I hope to someday have the time to run on the board again, OMRRA could use some house cleaning.

[flyingbutterknife]

I am always a supporter of timed qualifiers,not only does it get racers ready for the big show(A.M.A) but it also puts us on the grid where we belong. I do not like the way OMRRA makes you race to see where you grid to race. What is that? Just my $0.02

[EmDee]

Hey I have your engine, when do you want come and get it?
I'll give you a ring tonight, but am thinking Thursday afternoon.

Nice Aerial layout. I do Aerial Mapping as my day job, so if we get a job down in the Portland Area, I'll have the pilot fly over PIR and grab a few frames. Then we'll really be able to do a nice layover showing changes.

[EmDee]

I like the idea that OMRRA has of the Qualifier, just not the way that its done by finishing position.

Granted its club racing, but it would be nice if clubs would work towards a similar format as the Pro Organizations do. Timed qualifying is almost synonomous with professional racing and I think clubs should follow suit with a similar format. Heck one of the practice sessions could simply be the "qualifying" session, with grids rendered by fastest lap times. How tough would that be? In today's times of digital lap times, database, & internet, it doesn't seem like a huge mountain to overtake to get it to happen. Its just the mental paradigm in the club leadership that is the barrier to over come. Hopefully in time, that will change and both clubs will adopt some kind of timed qualifying sytem.

I don't buy the argument that there's not enough time either to do the qualifying session. To me, there's too many fuggin classes. I mean purdy soon they'll have classes for motorized toilets and barstools with stock and superletoilet/superstool classes...we all know the story. By removing several of the fringe classes, a lot of time could be saved for the bulk of racers in both clubs. My 2¢ solution is to cut the classes down, get some kind of timed qualifying system in place, and lets get down to the business of racing with some sizeable grids.

[flyingbutterknife]

I really agree with all that you said,Ill bet 95% of all racers would also. Someone up high needs to get these ideas into reality in both OMRRA and WMRRA! What do we do?